{"id":381,"date":"2020-12-22T11:46:05","date_gmt":"2020-12-22T11:46:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/?page_id=381"},"modified":"2025-03-09T20:22:35","modified_gmt":"2025-03-09T20:22:35","slug":"haiseb-and-holes","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/haiseb-and-holes\/","title":{"rendered":"Haiseb and holes"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t
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Haiseb has a profound association with holes, he\u00a0 lives in them and is linked to people disappearing into them. Sometimes he throws people in and sometimes he is thrown in.\u00a0<\/div><\/div>

In a wonderfully entangled manner Haiseb’s relationship with holes seems further linked to night, day and creation.\u00a0<\/p>

In the Richtersveld there is a well known Haiseb hole, called Wondergat.<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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\u00a0\u01c2Khani Xues<\/strong><\/div>

“Two men, one was Haiseb. He wanted to push the other man into a hole. But the other man pushed Haiseb. So Haiseb was caught by his his own trap.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Haiseb would steel things. You point them down and they are gone.”<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/div>

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Haiseb was a well known man. He stayed in nature, not in the house. He was well known during that time as a xoma aob [ a healer]. He put people in a hole.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>\u01c2Ga \u01c2Gorib<\/strong><\/p>

If you have a big large hole that you cannot get out of you need a\u00a0\u01c2ga \u01c2gorib<\/strong>, it is like an old\u00a0wooden pump.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>[imagine a ‘see saw’ and the rocking bar is \u00a0a plank of strong wood.] This is a Haiseb stick, a hai gaib. [nb. Hahn’s link to ‘stick’.]<\/p>

||gam gorib means ‘water lifter’.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>When you drop off a cliff you can only be pulled out with a hai gaib. You get the Haiseb graves on the way. To avoid the hole everyone puts a rock on the Haiseb graves. They are called Haiseb ||o obos.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>So Haiseb was a well known medicine man. When you go somewhere first you must tche khom.<\/p>

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\u01c2Khani Xues and her family demonstrating how\u00a0\u01c2ga gorib \u00a0pushes Haiseb\u00a0into the hole<\/h6>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t
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Joshua Taurob<\/strong> \u2013 schoolteacher,\u00a0Sesfontein. Interviewed with Ms.\u00a0Thaniseb.\u00a0<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Who was Haiseb?<\/p>

A. There were two guys, Haiseb and\u00a0\u01c2G\u00e2 \u01c2gorib ( translates as \u2018someone who throws someone in the hole) \u01c2G\u00e2 = hole,\u00a0\u01c2gorib = throw<\/p>

\u01c2G\u00e2 \u01c2gorib was always next to the road where he had a hole where he threw people in. One day Haiseb was a clever man (problem guy) when he visited he heard people were throwing in. First he threw Haiseb in the hole \u2013 Haiseb gets out.<\/p>

Haiseb is thrown in a second time and he gets out. A third time\u2026the last time Haiseb is running round the hole singing<\/p>

\u01c2G\u00e2 \u01c2goriba, \u01c2G\u00e2 \u01c2goriba, \u01c2G\u00e2 \u01c2goribaq, Haikaiba (Haiseb\u2019s other name) Haikai<\/p>

They were testing the powers running round singing their names , like \u2018witchdoctors do\u2019. Testing like the witchdoctors.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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Jakob\u00a0||Hoeb<\/strong>,\u00a0Hoanib River Culture Group<\/p>

[the story is on the first video in the stories section. The interview below is poorly translated and needs revising but\u00a0indicates\u00a0the story for the time being]<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Haiseb was a clever man. He wanted to win. Haiseb was always complaining about day and night with God.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Haiseb always tells the people when the morning comes and he says this day will stay [forever] , no darkness will come.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Now God (Elob) says you can’t stop the day and night because I created it.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>When the sun rose Haiseb took a stone and put it by one spot [outside his hole] and he stayed there \u00a0all the day\u00a0. And then it grew darker [and he went back in his hole]<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Haiseb stays in the hole. He only comes out when it is night [day?]\u00a0[ John Taniseb: when inside he does not see the light [darkness?] ].<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>All the years when Haiseb was putting the rock out in the darkness [day;ight?], the pile is big. It looks like a grave. He is a clever man.<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>Haiseb was a clever man, more clever than the people but he did not know God created him<\/p>

\u200b<\/span>He cannot compare with God, only God gave that knowledge. He took a man and said there is a nice hole there – let’s go and see it and then he pushes him in. He is a killer no one can stop him.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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Haiseb has a profound association with holes, he\u00a0 lives in them and is linked to people disappearing into them. Sometimes he throws people in and sometimes he is thrown in.\u00a0 In a wonderfully entangled manner Haiseb’s relationship with holes seems further linked to night, day and creation.\u00a0 In the Richtersveld there is a well known […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"ocean_post_layout":"","ocean_both_sidebars_style":"","ocean_both_sidebars_content_width":0,"ocean_both_sidebars_sidebars_width":0,"ocean_sidebar":"","ocean_second_sidebar":"","ocean_disable_margins":"enable","ocean_add_body_class":"","ocean_shortcode_before_top_bar":"","ocean_shortcode_after_top_bar":"","ocean_shortcode_before_header":"","ocean_shortcode_after_header":"","ocean_has_shortcode":"","ocean_shortcode_after_title":"","ocean_shortcode_before_footer_widgets":"","ocean_shortcode_after_footer_widgets":"","ocean_shortcode_before_footer_bottom":"","ocean_shortcode_after_footer_bottom":"","ocean_display_top_bar":"default","ocean_display_header":"default","ocean_header_style":"","ocean_center_header_left_menu":"","ocean_custom_header_template":"","ocean_custom_logo":0,"ocean_custom_retina_logo":0,"ocean_custom_logo_max_width":0,"ocean_custom_logo_tablet_max_width":0,"ocean_custom_logo_mobile_max_width":0,"ocean_custom_logo_max_height":0,"ocean_custom_logo_tablet_max_height":0,"ocean_custom_logo_mobile_max_height":0,"ocean_header_custom_menu":"","ocean_menu_typo_font_family":"","ocean_menu_typo_font_subset":"","ocean_menu_typo_font_size":0,"ocean_menu_typo_font_size_tablet":0,"ocean_menu_typo_font_size_mobile":0,"ocean_menu_typo_font_size_unit":"px","ocean_menu_typo_font_weight":"","ocean_menu_typo_font_weight_tablet":"","ocean_menu_typo_font_weight_mobile":"","ocean_menu_typo_transform":"","ocean_menu_typo_transform_tablet":"","ocean_menu_typo_transform_mobile":"","ocean_menu_typo_line_height":0,"ocean_menu_typo_line_height_tablet":0,"ocean_menu_typo_line_height_mobile":0,"ocean_menu_typo_line_height_unit":"","ocean_menu_typo_spacing":0,"ocean_menu_typo_spacing_tablet":0,"ocean_menu_typo_spacing_mobile":0,"ocean_menu_typo_spacing_unit":"","ocean_menu_link_color":"","ocean_menu_link_color_hover":"","ocean_menu_link_color_active":"","ocean_menu_link_background":"","ocean_menu_link_hover_background":"","ocean_menu_link_active_background":"","ocean_menu_social_links_bg":"","ocean_menu_social_hover_links_bg":"","ocean_menu_social_links_color":"","ocean_menu_social_hover_links_color":"","ocean_disable_title":"default","ocean_disable_heading":"default","ocean_post_title":"","ocean_post_subheading":"","ocean_post_title_style":"","ocean_post_title_background_color":"","ocean_post_title_background":0,"ocean_post_title_bg_image_position":"","ocean_post_title_bg_image_attachment":"","ocean_post_title_bg_image_repeat":"","ocean_post_title_bg_image_size":"","ocean_post_title_height":0,"ocean_post_title_bg_overlay":0.5,"ocean_post_title_bg_overlay_color":"","ocean_disable_breadcrumbs":"default","ocean_breadcrumbs_color":"","ocean_breadcrumbs_separator_color":"","ocean_breadcrumbs_links_color":"","ocean_breadcrumbs_links_hover_color":"","ocean_display_footer_widgets":"default","ocean_display_footer_bottom":"default","ocean_custom_footer_template":"","footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-381","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/381","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=381"}],"version-history":[{"count":15,"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/381\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":825,"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/381\/revisions\/825"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thinkingthreads.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=381"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}